DUST Search - Allowing EVE players to Give Dust Players isk

Argent Mordred wrote:

What we need is for a clean reset to happen. Some players have been playing since when there was hardly anything to buy and have thus saved so much money that they can never spend it all. Once CCP has figured out how to merge Eve and Dust's economy and/or allowed for a real market with player2player sales, they should allow everyone to keep their sp and aurum, but remove all non-bpo items and isk from everyone's account. CCP can't remove aurum as people payed real money for it, same with bpos, plus bpos are almost all militia items and don't affect the game balance the same way being able to buy an effectively unlimited amount of proto suits does.

That way everyone will be on a level playing field for a short bit equipment wise, not skills wise though, and everyone can build up money on a more level field. I know that such a reset would be unpopular, but it is the only way to address the fact that some people have way more money than they could have earned if they had started with the current update and played the same amount of time. We can't fix that problem by adjust prices because anything that would clean out the 600m plus bank accounts would be unreasonable for anyone else.


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Teilka Darkmist 298	Posted - 2014.04.28 05:56:00 - [1] - Quote The op's idea works, on the surface, until you realise that there's nothing to stop the people in the biggest corps and alliances from doing exactly the same thing. Considering you can get over a billion isk in EVE by spending -ú30 and selling the plex on the in game market, it would flood Dust with huge amount of isk for those who have eve accounts and leave those who haven't got one comparatively poor. Add the player driven market and prices for the best gear would soar, making it so that only people who have, or can get, eve accounts can afford to play at the high levels. Not everyone has access to a PC capable of running the eve client, or the disposable income to buy plex regularly. So despite being one of the people who does play eve, and can afford plex if I want to, I say that CCP made the right decision when they shut down the ability to transfer isk straight from Eve to Dust. Don't forget that CCP have their own in-house economist to help them make sure that the market stays stable enough for everyone to be able to play the games at all levels. I'm sure he's being consulted heavily as they decide what to do regarding the Dust market for when it goes to a player driven system. It would also potentially crash the Eve market and bring an end to the game itself as when it's suddenly innundated with plex, the price in game would crash and everyone would be able to afford to plex their accounts by just running missions for a day or two, Plex would be bought up in bulk and kept in stations as a stockpile of game time, people would stop paying for subscriptions, cutting CCP's income to a trickle which would mean they can't afford to develop either game anymore. Whilst that last is a worst case scenario, if I, who has no real training as an economist, can see the potential, then the experts at CCP can see that potential so they'll advise against it as strongly as they possibly can. It took years for the eve economy to get where it is today and it's only there because it handles both the supply and the demand of in game items. Without a way for players to produce everything in game, the dust economy will never get to the same point. People will point to eve players and say that they will produce the dropsuits, vehicles, weapons and modules that we need, but that's only true if they can make a profit at it, which means Dust needs a working economy before the markets are linked. Which won't happen whilst we can still buy everything from NPC's as they set an absolute maximum price that players will buy for. Right now, the dust and eve markets are incompatible with each other and CCP knows it. Woman. Sniper, but from near the opponent's redline more often than not. Not a KDR Worshipper.
Teilka Darkmist 298	Posted - 2014.04.28 06:19:00 - [2] - Quote Argent Mordred wrote: What we need is for a clean reset to happen. Some players have been playing since when there was hardly anything to buy and have thus saved so much money that they can never spend it all. Once CCP has figured out how to merge Eve and Dust's economy and/or allowed for a real market with player2player sales, they should allow everyone to keep their sp and aurum, but remove all non-bpo items and isk from everyone's account. CCP can't remove aurum as people payed real money for it, same with bpos, plus bpos are almost all militia items and don't affect the game balance the same way being able to buy an effectively unlimited amount of proto suits does. That way everyone will be on a level playing field for a short bit equipment wise, not skills wise though, and everyone can build up money on a more level field. I know that such a reset would be unpopular, but it is the only way to address the fact that some people have way more money than they could have earned if they had started with the current update and played the same amount of time. We can't fix that problem by adjust prices because anything that would clean out the 600m plus bank accounts would be unreasonable for anyone else. A clean reset is no longer possible in Dust without annoying a large percentage of players. Not just the top tier, but also the others who have played hard to get enough isk to stay on an even footing. Those who have all the isk, still control the methods for making the isk with the least risk, the PC districts. A reset of isk and items will only make it harder to take those off them as they'll more quickly make isk than even the most skilled players who aren't in those corps and alliances. Returning the game to the situation we're in now. I've recently heard on an eve podcast I listen to, although I can't remember which one right now, that one of the CPM members is excited about what CCP has planned for the future of Dust, although he obviously didn't give any details, so I'm waiting impatiently for the FanFest Dust keynote, hoping he's right because as it is, I can't see how Dust lasts much longer and I would love for Dust to have a resurgence and start to fulfill it's potential. Woman. Sniper, but from near the opponent's redline more often than not. Not a KDR Worshipper.
Teilka Darkmist 298	Posted - 2014.04.28 08:57:00 - [3] - Quote Operative 2511 Dajli wrote: Spartacus Dust wrote: Would this be a problem, maybe in the past it would've, but considering that one alliance owns all the wealth (GOD I FEEL LIKE A 99% HIPPY) I don't see it as a problem now. using a third party to transfer eve isk to dust isk is creative and smart, but impractical for trust issues, ratios, etc... Holy crap YES it would be a problem. In addition to easily making millions in EVE just off of margin trading in Jita; I can also buy and sell PLEX for more fake fun money. We need a new currency for trading funds. Lore wise, New Eden already has another currency. The regular citizens don't use Isk. Isk is used by the various immortals, corporations and governments. If I remember correctly, each empire has it's own currency for every day use, for things like food and clothes and everything else the people who aren't buying ships and starbases need to buy. Something like that would have been ideal for Dust as we're not buying things on the scale of spaceships. Sure our expense are higher than the average citizen, but not that much higher. Woman. Sniper, but from near the opponent's redline more often than not. Not a KDR Worshipper.